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. we go over the fiscal cliff small business owners could see the tax rates rise to over 50 percent. >> it is eye popping isn't it. pray congress makes a deal to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. high income workers there will get more than 50 percent. it targets income brackets. state taxes went up. they are now higher than both new york city as well as hawaii. >> when it comes to jobs being added different numbers, 118,000. >> this is the first week of the month we get a lot of jobs data. storm event coming in when i say storm literally we will see the effects of super storm sandy. private job creation says businesses added 118,000 jobs in november. if it were not for sandy that number would have been north of 200,000. adt may have a stronger jobs report that's the big one economists look at. we expect 93,000 nonfarm jobs have been created last month. the numbers are weak and they suggest it's not just a storm but it is worried about the fiscal cliff holding businesses back from hiring. >> business owners and other people on e-mail which is most of us. when you are reading the e-
their conversation with no break in the deadlock over how to avoid the rapidly approaching fiscal cliff. the president's secretary said the administration is absolutely 3r-7d to go over the cliff if republicans don't agree to tax rate increases. speaker boehner says it is now up to the president to spell out a plan that will pass. the president told business leaders that ending fights over extending the country's debt ceiling have to be a part of this deal. now part of our deal here at 9news is having gary nurenberg follow these fiscal cliff developments. he is here with tonight's wrap- up. >> reporter: an knit tax you are right, the president and the speaker got on the phone but as if to signal the lack of progress the house got out of town. the republican controlled house left town wednesday saying it has nothing to do. >> we need a response from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. >> reporter: the president's treasury secretary said there's no room for negotiation on its demand for tax rate hikes for top income earners. >> is the administration prepared t
sorry, no way, are we going to raise rates on the wealthy, you guys are willing to go off the fiscal cliff? >> if republicans are not willing to let rates go back up, and we think they should go back to the clinton levels, a time when the economy was doing exceptionally well, then there will not be an agreement. >> let's go to the other side. republican house speaker john boehner also digging in, admitting that talks are going nowhere. speaker boehner also describing the moment when geithner first showed him the president's opening offer. >> i was flabbergasted. i looked at him, i said, "you can't be serious." i've just never seen anything like it. you know, we've got seven weeks between election day and the end of the year. and three of those weeks have been wasted with this nonsense. right now i would say we're nowhere, period. we're nowhere. we've put a serious offer on the table by putting revenues up there to try to get this question resolved. but the white house has responded with virtually nothing. they've actually asked for more revenue than they've been asking for the whole
the nation fall off the fiscal cliff. >> republicans need to acknowledge reality here. rates have to go up. earlier in the presidency, obama warneded it could hurt the economy. >> the nation is no longer in recession. and american manufacturing contracted in november for the first time in three months. the president is concerned enough that he proposed tens of billions in new stimulus spending in the debt talks. >> what is the justification for raising taxes? >> the fact of the matter is that it's vitally important that we extent and the president's view make permanent tax cuts for 98% of the american people. >> the president would like to see it done tomorrow and would sign it right away. >> they will put for ending deduction and closing loopholes. >> republicans move a great deal. who was the first person after the election was the speaker who went down and provided the re-knew. >> they blasted the proposal to limit deductions to tell bloomberg television it's unrealistic. >> that means every hospital and university and non-for profit, the agency. across the country would find themselves
a line in the sand, he says there isn't a deal on the fiscal cliff unless you raise tax rates on the rich, very important, tax rates on the rich. what do you make of that? >> well, first of all, in some ways, you have to say that the big spending, big government liberals are winning this debate, because they have reframed the entire discussion about revenues. listen, washington has a spending problem, and as long as we kind of misdirect this discussion and we only talk about taxes, then we never discuss any meaningful reform in entitlements. we never discuss spending. so from this standpoint, the left is absolutely winning this argument, because that's what you and i are talking about right now, tax revenue. there is not a revenue story. -- this is not a revenue story. it is a spending story. >> thank you, you are right sir, yet again. thank you very much indeed. let's bring in kirsten powers. she joins us from washington. kirsten, welcome to the program. i don't think you have been on before, have you? >> good morning, i don't think so. though i've always wanted to be invited. stuart: ok
was that the majority of americans agreed with president obama's vision of one of the ways to fix the fiscal cliff had to be to put new revenues and raise the tax rates of the wealthiest americans. [ ♪ music ♪ ] >> cenk: so taking this case to the american people fighting strong, making his own case which he we've been asking him to do for four straight years. my reaction was this. >> flabbergasted. [ laughing ] >> cenk: what's your reaction. >> slightly flabbergasted because this is not how the president has worked before. he ran with a grassroots in 2008. we tried to recreate that, talked about the ground game in the campaign in 2012. he's taking a grassroots campaign to politics, which is what progressives have been begging him to do now for a while. it seems to be working. all the hash tags and all the my 2 k has tags has gotten up to 13,000 tweets per hour. not every one of them is, hey great idea, mr. president. a lot of them are coming from people who are conservatives saying whatever it is that they're saying. the point is he's in touch with the people. he's not living in a cocoon like he
a fiscal cliff. at that rate, talks are going slow. the u.s. seems poised to go over the edge. wendell goler live at the white house. okay, does everyone have like the calendar in front of them realizing what the date actually is? >> it's a high stakes poker game. each side waiting for the other to show its cards. the white house demanding republicans say how much they're willing to raise taxes and republicans demanding the white house list the spending cuts. democrats are willing to accept. there is, as you say, less than month before the deadline and realistically, there may be less time than that given the need for congress to actually write legislation. house speaker john boehner said on fox news sunday, right now they've got nothing to start with. >> i would say we're nowhere, period. we're nowhere. we've put a serious offer on the table by putting revenues up there to try to get this question resolved. but the white house has responded with virtually nothing. they've actually asked for more revenue than they've been asking for the whole entire time. >> the president campaigned on
parker, thank you. i want to talk to you some more. we'll go back to the fiscal cliff. if high end tax rates are successful entrepreneurs rocket higher, you can bet the number of millionaires in this country is going south. that's if high taxes go up. millionaires go down. that's no good. in our land of opportunity, i want more millionaires. and i think the better for them and the economy. robert frank will join us with some very arresting numbers. high tax, fewer millionaires. not good. two years ago, the people of bp made a commitment to the gulf. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. and bp's also committed to america. we support nearly 250,000 jobs and invest more here than anywhere else. we're working to fuel america for generations to come. our commitment has never been stronger. >>> 28 days until the country plummets off the tax and fiscal cliff. big tax hikes could be coming for everyone but we see also a drastic redu
to go off the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. if there is no agreement that doesn't involve rates going up. >> gretchen: is that what the discussion is about? if you're watching the main stream media, it's about tax, tax, tax, tax. why are we taxing so much? because we really do have a spending problem. >> steve: or a deep hole. >> brian: i thought it was interesting. does geithner ever speak and make you feel better? all he does is -- i have a sense that it's something terrible is about to happen. having said that and this communication ability aside, i'm stunned to see him playing politics. he's flat out playing politics. he added if the president doesn't get his own way and get the power action undependentsed power to raise the debt limit and take it away from congress, that's also a nonstarter. since when is getting into that and saying if we don't raise taxes on the top 2%, we're never going to have a deal. really? doesn't he know the math? we all know the math. this is like throwing a nickel into the ocean. $85 billion on an annual deficit that's over a trillion dollars in debt. he's
prepared to go over the fiscal cliff. >> we face no prospect of agreement that doesn't involve the rates going up on the top two percent. >> brian: he also said he believes that the president needs to get control of the debt limit. that is a nonstarter. there is no way to get congress to give up control of debt limit. >> steve: republicans are saying let's cave and surrender on the tax issue. but coming up in 2013 we have leverage over the debt limit. remember the president of the united states his personal approval ratings went in the toilet. >> brian: as is the congress. >> steve: the congress didn't have as far to because they were close to the floor anyway. republicans say let's have leverage next time and the president said let's take that off of the table and from now on the president doesn't have to negotiate from congress. congress doesn't like that one bit. >> gretchen: usually when you are holding the cards in the negotiation you don't have to budge. that's the position the president and time geithner feel. they feel they hold the cards and they won the election and they believ
tax rates on the rich to avo avoid the fiscal cliff. erin burnett's been looking into that. she's going in depth on that tonight. what have you found out? >> it seems more and more likely that we're going to end up in a situation where we get a pretty awful deal if we get a deal. there's not going to be a grand bargain, which is a big failure, but are there going to be republicans who are willing to make serious corp. mizs. tom mcclint ok's going to be our guest. we're going put the hard questions to him tonight, plus, wolf, you remember amy copeland, the young woman who went on the bungee jump and got the stitches and had to go back because of the flesh eating bacteria? >> what happened? >> well, she survived and she is our special guest tonight. she was honored with a woman of the year award and her story is pretty incredible. she talks about what she still struggles to do, whether there are still moments in the middle of the night where she feels life isn't fair. >> i'll look forward to that, to the whole show at the top of the hour. thanks very much. >> still ahead, robbing
will push back on president obama's demand for tax hikes on the rich when it comes to the fiscal cliff. but treasury secretary timothy geithner says the white house will not give in. >> no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans. remember it's only 2%. >> geithner adds the obama administration is, quote, absolutely prepared to go off the cliff, if necessary. joining me now is van jones, cnn contributor and former obama administration official. good morning. >> god morning to you. >> so, van, i guess my first question that's eatsy for geithner to say, we're perfectly willing to go off the fiscal cliff. that means a tax hike on middle class americans and maybe some of them are thinking this morning i'm not really so happy geithner said that. >> it might have been inartful for him to say it the way he said it. i think he is making a very important point, which is that the american people did vote. they voted for the one thing the president said very clearly, which is that tax rates would go up on the wealthiest. it's an
with the fiscal cliff and there's hot rhetoric to go around. >> our members believe strongly that raising tax rates will hurt the economy. closing loopholes, especially on those who are wealthy, is a better way to raise this revenue. >> in order for us to raise the amount of revenue that's needed just by closing deductions and loopholes for high earners we'd have to, for example, eliminate or severely cap the char itible deduction. >> an obsession to raise taxes not going to solve the problem. what will solve the problem is doing something about the entitlements, taking on the wasteful spending in washington. >> and meantime, "the new york times" jonathan wiseman reports behind the scene republican leaders are considering the president's plan to extend middle class tax cuts now an address the debt and spending in the new year. here's republican senator tom coburn on "morning joe." >> actually, i would rather see the rates go up than the other way and greater chance to broaden the base in the future. >> do something, a down payment on cuts, on investments and revenue this year. and then in the
it out of them. will entitlement be changed on this side of the fiscal cliff? >> two things in response to that. first, the great irony here is four weeks ago, mitt romney and paul ryan and republicans are pummeling the president for $716 billion for medicare savings that extended the life of medicare. they said they want to add all the costs back in. hopefully they are back to the position of the ryan budget to recognize they're important savings. number one. number two, the president's plan, budget, contains medicare savings than the ryan-republican plan did. we'd like to see the specifics, what are they proposing with respect to cuts to medicare? >> we can go around the healthcare barnyard again and again, about how you can't spend that money twice. and how medicare actuary said that. the $716 billion. you can either use it to shore up medicare or use it to pay for obamacare. >> right. right. but the fact is the position that mitt romney took as a presidential candidate was to put all of those costs back in to medicare. which would have meant it went insolvent eight years sooner. >>
the fiscal cliff and argument from small businesses and others, if you increase our rate, we're either going to have to layoff individuals, not going to hire anybody else right now, and so, therefore, this economy that's already stalled is not going to grow at a clip. >> you remember two years ago, the question was, should we keep the bush rates, at least temporarily, given the problems in the economy and at that time, all the democrats acknowledged raising taxes is not a way to boost economic growth. for whatever reason, this time, there seems to be more of an ideological commitment that the rates have a rise and i think the president ought to be thinking, how do we grow. >> that's what the president said in 2010, we can't afford taxes right now in this down economy, what's changed. >> two years, i guess the election change. great to see you this morning, appreciate it. >> coming up on the show, it's the phone call that every parent dreads, informing you your child has been in an accident. this father and son got through it and now giving back, helping veterans serving life changing challen
that would cease paychecks and health benefits for all members of congress and the president until the fiscal cliff is avoided. unlikely, but a reflection of voter frustration as both sides dig in. the white house demanding higher tax rates for the top two tax brackets and republicans refusing. after refusing the proposal last week, house republicans offered an outline for $2.2 trillion in deficit reduction mostly through spending cuts, and while president obama would not answer questions about the counterproposal -- >> no deal better than a bad deal, sir? >> thank you. >> reporter: -- a senior white house official assailed it as a step backwards saying if republicans do not agree to some higher rates for wealthier taxpayers, the nation will go over the cliff and the american people will hold the republicans responsible. wall street remains optimistic a deal will be struck, so the lack of progress has not yet resulted in a market plunge, but some economists estimate that because of the uncertainty posed by the fiscal cliff, at least 200,000 fewer jobs have been created this year. and, diane,
the president will let the nation go over the fiscal cliff and blame republicans. the president put it in his own words tonight. not all democrats are with the president on the tax issue. 20 senate democrats face re-election in two years. some of them might struggle with voting to raise taxes by more than $12.5 trillion. this is amateur video from syria purporting the show a government war plane on a bombing run in damascus. one of syria's neighbors get serious about self-defense. concerns about the chemical weapons on the rise. "special report" starts at #:00 eastern. now have back to my colleagues with "the five." >> five, four, three, two, one. [ applause ] >> good job! >> andrea: the lighting of the 73-foot tall capitol christmas tree. that was john boehner who lit the tree. on the west front steps of the cocapitol. where president obama will have inauguration in a couple of weeks. from the speaker bearing brooks brother to devil wears prada. anna winter raised money to get president obama re-elect and it could be paying off for her now. bloomberg news is reporting that she is on the shor
fall off the fiscal cliff, dividends will be taxed at ordinary income rates so your rate on your investments is going to go up depending on your tax bracket, that means 15%, 28%, 31%, 36% or 39.6%. so the rate on your investment income could be more than double what it is right now for middle and high income earners. other companies that have paid out their dividends early, walmart, costco, dillard's -- >> so they are preparing for this? >> oh, yes. they're getting the money out early so their investors don't pay higher taxes on it. >> what is the one thing we need to know about our money today? >> ho, ho, ho, december has been the best month for stocks over the past 30 years. december has been the santa claus rally they call it. when investors square their portfolios, they close out their positions, could the fiscal cliff talks in washington kill santa claus? another reason to be mad at your policymakers. december should be a good month. it historically is. >> all right, thank you. 27 minutes past the hour. every time you send a text message it could soon be recorded. it could a
american. >> senator rubio weighing in on the fiscal cliff debate and the idea of raising tax rates for the wealthy saying we need to make poor people richer, not rich people poorer. soledad. >> that's the kind of thinking that will get you votes, right? >> all right. thanks, zoraida. >> new york city police could be close to charging a suspect in that fatal subway push. they say a man is now being questioned and has implicated himself in this case. a front page "new york post" photo has become the source of a lot of controversy. it shows the victim desperately trying to climb up from the tracks as the train approaches. this morning we're hearing that the photographer has said some things in his own defense. cnn's mary snow has more on this report. >> [ bleep ] alone. take your [ bleep ] over there. >> reporter: why exactly these men were fighting is unclear. but moments after this video obtained by the new york police was record 58-year-old ki-suck han whose face is obscured, was pushed on to the tracks, police say, by the man yelling at him. subway barreling through the station ki
by the difficulties put forth by government spending at the rates that they have been. so when it comes to the fiscal cliff, our young voters more than ever want to make sure that our republicans and our candidates that are putting forth the message of working together to get this problem solved. i think whether you look at this simpson bowles plan or other things, we need to make sure we're work together and putting these important issues forth. >> rick: let's talk about entitlement reform. that's another topic that's very important for republicans and they have said that the leadership in washington, they want to hear the president. they want to hear democrats talk about entitlement reform. are young republicans in favor of a partial or whole privatization of our entitlement program? would young republicans be open to the idea of privatizing social security and things like that? >> our republicans on campus have traditionally expressed support for cutting spending. they can see that the current climate that we're in of overspending and simply not having enough revenue and increasing our deficit is
to extend the program. >> reporter: and of course, going off the so-called fiscal cliff means a tax hike for everybody who does have a job. treasury secretary timothy geithner said the president is absolutely welling to go off the cliff unless republicans agree to raise tax rates. >> there is no prospect for an agreement that doesn't involve the rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. only 2%. >> reporter: on that no progress. >> where are the specifics? where are the discussions? nothing is going on. >> reporter: there have been no real talks between the white house and republicans for a week, but the president and the speaker of the house spoke via telephone. neither side would give any details about what was said. the stock market closed higher with traders optimistic a deal will be reached. jonathan karl, abc new, washington. >>> amazing a phone call can calm the markets. impressive here. what i thought was interesting. we talked how the house is scheduled to go on vacation the 14th of the month. so actually there is a tighter deadline than the 31st. apparently, house majorit
the warnings of the so-called fiscal cliff and how it could damage the question. why are we in the situation. they agreed to extend it for two years. the rates expire on january 1st for everybody . in 2011, the president enacted a pay roll tax holiday . that goes away january 1st . deep spending cuts over the raising of the ceiling. they're designed to be painful and a way to force compromise and cut spending in congress. what is next. we may get an idea tomorrow morning. chris wallace will sit down with key players . an exclusive interview with house speaker john boehner . check for when fox news airs in your mexico is swearing in a new president hours ago . people are rioting in the streets over the news and questions about what it means for the relationship between the u.s. and mexico. 46 year old taking the oath of office promising a national transformation and a new program to prevent crime. as we reported over the yoors, 60,000 people have died in the drug war in mexico. it means a return to the pri party. that party was voted out of office after years of corand various other crime. so
there's no reason they should fall off the fiscal cliff adding the only reason why it would happen is if a group of members of congress decide they are going to block an agreement because they want to extend the tax rates for the rich. back to you. >> kelly wright, thank you. it's time for a look at who is talking. another big talker down on capitol hill the september 11th attack on consulate in benghazi. >> we know there was intelligence leading up to the attacks that warned of security risks. diane fine stein is one of the chairs on congress's intelligence committee has been leading the investigation as to what went wrong with libya. now she says it is knotted the intelligence that should be blamed but instead the decision makers. >>> i have reviewed all of the threat warnings by the intelligence community. there were multiple threat warnings well over 200. i have read the priority warnings. i believe the ingenls is good. you can't blame the intelligence. they didn't make the right decision. >> the security warning is what congressman mike rogers is also talking about this mornin
those tax rates going back up. >> nobody wants to go over the cliff. that's why the day after the election i tried to speed this process up by making a concession to put revenues on the table. it's unfortunate that the white house has spent three weeks doing basically nothing. >> speaker boehner added he is flabbergasted by the administration's proposals while secretary geithner said he believes a deal can be reached by the end of the year. >>> we could find out this morning if the supreme court will take up the issue of same-sex marriage. at 9:30 eastern, the court releases its orders list. there's a possibility justices will hear cases that challenge the federal defense of marriage act or california's proposition 8, which defines marriage as strictly between a man and a woman. >>> an evacuation order remains in effect this morning in louisiana as authorities rush to secure more than 6 million pounds of improperly stored gunpowder. the m6 powder was found on property leased by explo systems. an operation is underway to move that powder to underground storage facilities on the
lawmakers don't get it together soon. president obama saying now a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff could be about a week away. there is just one catch. he says republicans have to accept the, quote: reality as he puts it that tax rates are going up for the richest americans. something g.o.p. leaders are calling a deal breaker. >> we're not insisting on rates just out of spite or out of any kind of partisan bickering. but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. we can probably solve this. it's not that tough. but we need that conceptual break through that says we need to do a balanced plan. >> we made a good faith offer to avert the fiscal crisis and that offer included significant spending cuts reforms and it included additional revenue. and frankly, it was a balanced approach mr. president has been asking for. now we need a response from the white house. >> they have 27 days to prevent automatic tax hikes and spending cuts from kicking in on new year's day. ed henry live at the white house for us. ed, we are hearing the president and house speaker john boehne
the fiscal cliff, shep. >> shepard: what's the thinking on whether they can actually come together at some point here, ed? >> right now it's pretty dim. if you look at what speaker john boehner said in that exclusive interview with our own chris wallace on "fox news sunday." he said right now there are nowhere in these talks. other serious republicans like lindsey graham says he thinks we are edging closer to closer to this just being in calamity. >> i think we are going over the cliff. it's pretty clear to me that they made a political calculation. >> he believes we are likely to go of 00 cliff now. the bottom line is tonight the president is hosting congressional leaders for this congressional ball. basically a black tie holiday party. maybe they will start talking about compromise but so far none in site. ed henry live on the north lawn. prince william's wife kate in the hospital because of problems with her just announced pregnancy. just ahead what we have learned about this condition and this new kid coming along. plus a dolphin attacks a little girl at sea world with a bite strong en
say, this is going to go over the fiscal cliff at least for a few days in january. >> if we go over the fiscal cliff, voters will likely blame the republicans for that. is is that true sf. >> all of the polls show that right now. we know that the tax hikes go up. ben bernanke, the fed chairman, fears that it will throw the country into a recession. they have to be careful here as well. but democrats and the president clearly believe that they have the leverage to force an increase in these tax rates on the upper income americans before they agree to a deal. >> we'll all be watching the stock market as well. >>> the president also concentrating on recasting his new cabinet and one name that came up yesterday is a replacement for leon panetta at the defense department. >> it's possible, this is a real game of musical chairs right now. the president has to fill at least three big jobs, secretary of state, cia. if the president does not choose susan rice that means kerry goes to state and hagel goes to defense. we just don't know right now. all of those names are in play as we talk. >>
, theman some democrats blame for the fiscal cliff impasse, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. and the many ands a finger to about fixing it, michael reagan, founder of the reagan group. i wantto start with the republicans plan that they put on the table. they have been accused of doing nothing and all. they come up with their own plan which inclus 800 billion in revenue from closing loopholes and eliminating deductions and then 1 billion in spendin cuts. it is being rejected from the get go by democrats. grover, what do you say? >> i think the republicans had a very good pl called lorraine budg. they alloted for it in the house. itsaves $6 trillion over the same decade, and they did not raise taxes and all. i really think of the president is not iterested in compromising, and not sure it is wise with the republicans to keep moving in his direction. i suppos it ge you five minutes on the nightly news to say you are being reasonable, but the president keeps saying he jst wants massive tax increase no spendin cus. he wants to increase spending as part of this deal. the pr
. he says he cannot guarantee we will not go over the fiscal cliff. >> no, i cannot promise that. that is a decision that lies in the hands of the republicans that are now imposing increasing tax rates. stuart: okay. if the republicans do not agree to higher taxes on the rich, it is all there fault if we go over the cliff. got that. this is what john boehner had to say. >> the day after the election, i found the results. i went to the cameras and made it clear. the republicans were willing to put revenue on the table if there were serious spending cuts and reforms put in place. we have talked about it. the president and white house have three weeks. this is the best we've got? stuart: as of this monday morning, the white house wants the republicans, forces the republicans to agree to raise taxes. the republicans thus far seem to be saying we will cut deductions, but not raise tax rates. >> what is so flabbergasting to me is that geithner, you just heard him, he basically said if the republicans do not do what we put on the table, it is fall off theefiscal cliff and it is the repu
a deal to keep us from going off the fiscal cliff. the president says the latest republic offer is out of balance because it extends tax cuts on income of above $250,000. g.o.p. leaders claim they can raise revenue without raising rates by closing loopholes and limiting deductions. but the white house says it's about the rates. ed henry is at the white house tonight. the president claims the republic math does not add up. >> that's right, shep. he met with the nation's governors today. he said behind closed doors that there is a lot at stake not just for the national economy but state by state. some of their budgets could take a major hit if, in fact, the nation goes off the so-called fiscal cliff. his spokesman jay carney was even tougher in going after speaker john boehner's latest proposal in saying it simply doesn't add up. >> we don't know who pays. we don't know what we're talking about in terms of actual legislation to increase revenues. it's magic beans and fairy dust. >> the bottom line is the president and speaker boehner have not spoken now in several days. so there is reall
ahead, a growing core russ on both sides who insist there's no reason to fear going over the fiscal cliff y if if the cliff exists at all. call them cliff deniers. leading directly to the loss of america's aaa credit rating. listening to them again would be the definition of insanity. john who has a ph.d. in instaneny co-author of "deadline artists." i was in d.c. this week and struck by there is one track going on of negotiations, the track you're seeing on television. not the smoke filled back rooms at this point. they're not there yet. usually i complain about the deals happening and the scenes. there is no behind the scenes and that scares me. >> and it should. look right now we are in the stage of public positional bargaining and both sides making opening bids that the other side dismisses as not serious. but, of course, this is serious. this is a self-inflicted crisis. and washington is playing fiscal with the fiscal cliff. -- playing chicken with the fiscal cliff. this deal will only get done by president obama and john boehner making a deal. they came close in the summer of
a new offer to avoid the fiscal cliff. it is a counter offer to president obama's plan. g.o.p. lawmakers proposed raising $800 billion in revenue from tax reform, not higher tax rates, but the white house immediately slammed the offer and said it won't even consider it, and tonight speaker boehner responds to the white house response saying it's now up to the president to come up with a plan. congressman allen west joins us. good evening. >> how are you doing? >> greta: very well. the white house is unimpressed by the proposal from the speaker and the white house republicans. >> the white house needs to go back and do case studies whe. you look at presidents cool imagidgeand kennedy, they went % down to 24%. kennedy went from 91% down to 71% and they increased revenue. what we're talking about is not what the president of the united states is looking at with wealth redistribution. we're talking about wealth expansion and economic growth and sound economic policies to do that. if you want to continue to believe that 250,000 dollars makes someone rich, you're going to crush these small bus
. >>> back to our conversation on the so-called fiscal cliff. the debt reducing tax hikes and federal spending cuts coming january 1st unless congress and the president act. so now both sides have offers on the table, the democrats' plan which would focus debt reduction on higher tax rates for the wealthiest 2%. house republicans, they anted up yesterday with a plan to cut the debt through tax code and spending reforms, not through higher tax rates for the wealthy. if there is no agreement, you know the deal, everyone, everyone's taxes go up. representative tom price of georgia joins me now from capitol hill. he is a hard line republican. congressman, good to see you. thanks for coming on. >> yes, thank you so much. good to be with you. >> the republican plan published yesterday, it is note worthry, congressman price, it would raise more money through the tax system this and is a pretty big departure for your republican party. i just want to know, do you support this proposal put forward by the speaker of the house? >> well, this proposal is just part of the overall package. remember,
it differently, they should tell us how they want to do it. >> i believe raising tax rates hurts our economy, hurts the prospects for more jobs in our country. >> shannon: as the sparring continues over the fiscal cliff, neither boehner nor geithner can say for certain that the country will not go over the edge. i'm shannon bream. america's news headquarters live from the nation's capital starts right now. >> shannon: we want to get to the budget standoff. peter doocy joins us live. there is time to strike a deal but not a lot. >> reporter: that's right. the speaker of the house john boehner made a point today to say there is not much time between election day and the end of the year. he thinks the white house has already wasted weeks because he does not think the proposal to avoid a fiscal cliff is serious one. negotiations here are nowhere. another republican, senator lindsey graham thinks he thinks things are heading down hill. >> i think we are going over the cliff. it's clear to me they made a political calculation. the offer doesn't deal with the entitlement reform to save the medicare
a way to get our fiscal house in order without those tax rates going back up. >> nobody wants to go over the cliff. that's why the day after the election i tried to speed this process up by making the concession to put revenues on the table. it's unfortunate that the white house has spent three weeks doing basically nothing. >> the administration has presented a plan that calls for $1.6 trillion in new tax revenues. $400 billion in cuts to medicare and other entitlements. $50 billion for a new stimulus and congress would have to give up control over raising the debt limit. republicans have indicated that they want to raise revenue by lowering tax deductions, haven't given any specifics yet. brings us right to white house correspondent brianna keilar. good morning, brianna. >> good morning to you, soledad. yes, things are at an impasse here. i will tell you the white house after not being very happy with the pace of negotiations the week before last sent treasury secretary tim geithner up to the hill to outline this proposal. there's a lot we already knew about that president obama had al
republicans as getting in the way of a deal and blame republicans more in f the country goes over the fiscal cliff and also they feel like think eve kind of got republicans in a corner because these income tax rates are set to increase in everyone at the end of the year and kind of hold that over their heads. now, at the same time, obviously, the issue here continuing to be tax rates and the white house really wants to deal with that. increase tax rates on the wealthy and then they want to deal with tax reform, entitlement reform later. somehow maybe link them but deal with that later and so they're really drawing this line in the sand as you heard timothy geithner say that the tax rates need to go up for wealthy americans. >> there's a strategy here. so, anna, republican strategist, why aren't republicans offering their own plan in return? isn't that how you negotiate? >> i think first they wanted to see what the president puts on the table. they have seen it. they don't like it. it doesn't have cuts in spending and entitlement reform. they want that. but i think what we're watching right n
the fiscal cliff. the ball, timothy geithner's comments -- >> i i was -- i was flabbergasted. i said you can't be serious. >> if congress fails to act by the end year, tax rates will go up for everyone and across the board spending tax. >>> a new legislative session will start today. democrat are allowed to raise taxes with little fear of republican opposition. but leaders say they are gonna avoid doing that since voters just passed prop 30. republicans, as well as governor brown, will be watching. >>> this month, the state is going to pay public schools and community colleges, the 1.9 billion it owes them. it is money that should have been paid out for over the summer but it was deferred until january. >> now, thanks to proposition 30, the state won't have to wait until then and then the schools will get another payment. >>> students in five states will be spending more time in school. select schools in colorado, connecticut, massachusetts, new york and tennessee, are scheduled to announce today, they are adding 300 hours of class time to the calendar. officials have not said whether they p
to go off the fiscal cliff. and the reality is we have to look over the last two years. the republican party established themselves as the party that was willing to let americans entire credit rating go down the tubes in order to stop barack obama last year. it's very clear that most people are going to see them as being the party that's being more obstinate. the truth of the matter is they also because they lost so badly in the election, nobody wants to be seen playing footsie with barack obama under the table which is what they're going to have to do to get this deal done. the republican party is going tond up being blamed which is one of the reasons they will have to compromise more. it's the same thing the democrats did when bush won. you have to compromise with the party that just won. jason johnson, john brabender, thank you thank you both. >>> the new york film critics have made their choices for top films and many times they end up as oscar favorites. all the details next. all the details next. we are gathered here today to celebrate the union of tim and laura. it's amazing how
is trying to avoid plunging of the fiscal cliff. he has made clear that the obama administration is saying that the first order of business has to be to extend tax breaks for middle-class families and raise tax rates for the top 2% of income earners. talks over how to rein in entitlement spending should be held sometime next year. >> the president is asking for $1.6 trillion of new revenue over 10 years. twice as much as he has been asking for the public. his stimulus spending exceeded the amount of new cuts that he was willing to consider. it was not a serious offer. reporter: enter a new player in the talks, stephanie cutter. you remember her? she was the deputy campaign manager for the obama-biden ticket suggested that mitt romney might have committed a felony on his tax returns. sunday night, she e-mailed them to reach a fiscal deal. republicans have balked at raising those tax rates. they are identified by marcus at countries job creators. >> for the first time in two decades, they are there will tell revenues go up as part is the plan. but they have to tell us what they're willing to
go over the fiscal cliff and we'll see what happens. >> reporter: at the last minute i think there will be a deal. i think republicans will retreat and say okay, you can have higher tax rates but only on people making a half million dollars a year. the president will say, okay, but we'll only discuss -- we'll think about, we'll promise spending cuts in the future. it will be a way of kicking the can down the road. martha: charles krauthammer have a will the more leverage than republicans realize. the president does not want us to go into a recession. we'll talk about that coming up. bill: democrats are all about tax hike and republicans argue massive spending programs like medicare and social security must be dealt with in any kind of deal if you want to bring count deficit today. south carolina senator republican lindsey graham on that right now. >> social security and medicare are $50 trillion under funded combined. we need to adjust the age of retirement slowly but surely for people independent 55. because we are all living longer, you and i need to pay a little more becau
and the president until the fiscal cliff is avoided. unlikely, but a reflection of voter frustration as both sides dig in. the white house demanding higher tax rates for the top two tax brackets, and the republicans refusing. after rejecting the obama administration proposal last week, house republicans offered an outline for $2.2 trillion in deficit reduction, mostly through spending cuts. and while president obama would not answer questions about the counterproposal -- >> no deal better than a bad deal, sir? >> reporter: -- a senior white house official assailed it as a step backward, saying if republicans do not agree to some higher rates for wealthier taxpayer, the nation will go over the cliff, and the american people will hold the republicans responsible. wall street remains optimistic a deal will be struck. so the lack of progress is not yet resulted in a market plunge. but some economists estimate that because of the uncertainty posed by the fiscal cliff, at least 200,000 fewer jobs have been created this year. the official deadline is december 31st at midnight when the ball drops in times
in order to avoid going over the fiscal cliff? john boehner's already $800 billion in increased tax revenue, not necessarily raising the marginal tax rate on the wealthy, but capping deductions, limiting loopholes, are you with the speaker of the house on that? >> unfortunately, wolf, the policies of president obama have already taken us over the cliff. if you meet with businesses like i do all the time, they've already paired back plans for next year anticipating what's going to happen. we can fix this christmas eve if we want, but we've already hurt the economy and job growth. >> are you with boehner? >> i'm not with boehner. this government doesn't need anymore money. this country needs less government. we're going to have historic levels of revenue to the government this year. >> everyone's taxes are going up at the end of the year if there's no deal. >> we have already offered to extend current tax rates. that's what we should have done six months ago until we could come to some agreement, some compromise on tax reform. >> when you say compromise, where are you ready to compromise as f
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